Great article - Stockholm Syndrome alive and well in NZ - Kiwis have been oppressed for a long time. Having lived in the U.S. for many years and coming back, it was easy to see. The oppressed side with their oppressor and attack someone who is trying to help them or attempt to make them see the light. I am telling anyone and everyone I can, to vote for any of the current lot in ALL parties is a wasted vote and they will get more of the same. Chaos and gross incompetence apart from tyrannical dictates. Liz Gunn shines a ray of hope for us all and needs to be listened to and supported. The 1% transaction tax alone should attract a lot of interest apart from the freedom it will give to us all.
yeh, i was going to ask liz to back off the emotion a tad, the references to how our forbears aquitted themselves in 2 WWars for NZ, to the nasty attacks on her- we get all that liz. But i also get that you overworked, stressed to the max, & prob gettin piddle all sleep.
Dont worry- you get this family's vote regardless- but i rocked up to orewa mindful i would have to tolerate a few excesses- but hell, you one out of the box our lizzie- change nothing.
& what honest competent candidates. thanks also to karl? the marsden refinery champion- & damien- as ever putting himself out there for us.
Actually thanks to all that stood up 3 1/2 yrs ago now.
if you are in leighton brian or sue's ward- vote for them- anything else, loyal. loyal all the way
And wherever you are make your party vote loyal. Just imagine how powerful a change anything over 5% will start to bring about in this country, even if we can't get the EC, intransigence overturned!
It strikes me that it must surely be time when Kiwis cease colluding with the mindless dance of institutionalised politics, lies and the incipient globalist tyranny.
The conned and coerced in NZ were subjugated to an uncontrolled, unethical, unpredictable, unconsented, medical and social experiment, presided over by a coterie of over-paid bureaucrats, politicians, business "leaders," doctors, nurses and jabbing wannabees who now quibble in virtue signalling over the distinction between 'mandated' and 'compulsory' that was in fact the definition of the 'cancelled'. Next time around there will be no distinction. That much is made clear by the revisionist ethics now embraced by NZ politics and "health."
The systematic destruction, division and imposed destitution wreaked upon this country by the current socialist globalist administration appears visible for all to see. What awaits is NO different.
Stockholm syndrome, maybe; and just one too many sheeple and mushrooms...
Enjoyable read. Clear points made. 100% behind a change for NZ, and even if it’s 5% it will make NZ Loyal and its policies, ideas, etc. more visible to the normies.
Like Mark H, I feel the emotions are overdone. We’ve had too many years of Jacinda’s fake tears/emotions to be moved. Just keep being real!
I’d love to share this article with my extended family et. al., but unfortunately some of the language used (e.g psy-op, and the Jacinda slurs) will turn them away the minute they read those.
Some people are so ‘psyched’ and afraid and dumbed down that they cannot even start to separate out facts from fiction, and would rather scroll social.
For everyone who is awake-keep fighting! We will get there in the end.
5th May 2024 well we didnt bloody listen...again. we jumped out of the flying pan and into the oven. If we werent our own worst fukn enemies, we'd of learnt to become 'one voice' one power. Their greatest fear #WeThePeople
Mr Bee, that has to be the most heart warming publication I have seen to date and you should be commended for it. Well done.. All we need now is for Liz to appear, if possible, on mainstream media and give her party political speech.It will reach the thousands who don't subscribe to social media and don't know much if anything about Liz and NZ Loyal. It would open their eyes to what lies have been and still are being told to them through the corrupt system we have. I am at present just finishing a short vacation in the Waikato and have noticed with admiration the number of NZ Loyal boards up and posters in some shops. The message is getting out there from the number of locals I have spoken to. My hope at present is that the lawyers she has working for her & us in the long run, are successful in their endeavours to help bring justice to a corrupt system and get our candidates listed as they should have been done in the first place. Keep the faith folks, and God Bless you all.
Wow, the small party so called wasted vote dilemma is a lie and a psyop on a par with the globalist pandemic or is this hyperbole?
A partially hypothetical example:
My initial favourite was Leighton Baker. I admire the man and was interested in his proposal that we want independant candidates focused on serving the people in their electorate; not serving a party or the government, serving the people, decentralised representation. That's a key message to campaign for. He showed up in a national poll of preferred leaders at 3%. Now this coalition of independant candidates is not showing up in the national polls and other worthy campaigns have emerged.
Should I remain loyal?
Should I ignore the polls?
Should I stop thinking about and discussing pros and cons?
This is a genuine dilemma resulting from a series of events, not a psyop on an epic scale.
Sally, I have come to believe that strategic voting is another message to make us deny our own inner commitment to truth. Vote for who your heart can beat in sync with. For me that is Loyal. I have never felt in any way committed to a party in the past, it was always a 'duty'' to vote. Now I have become committed in mind, heart and deed to working for a party, that is not essentially a party but a movement that, has found a 'home' in a party.
I'm sure that you can't be made to vote by someone proposing an alternative arguement if you're a mindful person. That's the point. No need to vilify the messengers. This article suggest that those who are weighing options with heart and mind are being fooled deliberately.
Head and heart is what it's all about. I do think there are people out there deliberately trying to mislead, however we are free and can think through what they say and come to what is right for us in our hearts.
Keep thinking - don't ignore anything but do be aware there is a lot of fakeness out there. 3% support for Leighton Baker was like a window into what a lot of people were feeling - why did it not appear again? I don't believe those people stopped liking him suddenly.
NZ First has my and my wife's vote. He will get in. The more seats he has, the less Act and National have.land the more likely the party can influence parliament. I've supported all the freedom parties up until now, but it's time to choose.
I'm sorry to have to disagree with you.Winston Peters is in it for himself always has been, check out his history, he is a turncoat and changes direction like the wind. He joined with labor in the last election and now look at the mess the country's in..How can you trust a person like that. No, Liz Gunn and NZ Loyal deserve all the votes they can get because you know what she stands for. Just check out her policies. Also at the moment the 3 parties are all throwing mud at one another. Is that the sort of party you want to vote for. From where I stand I don't see any of those parties with an ounce of truth, honesty or integrity.
I listened to one of NZF's candidates today. She was a lawyer for NZDSOS, so definitely on our page. She describes a different Peters to you. What happened in 2017 was that Winston wanted money for rural infrastructure projects and English refused. So Winston went with Labour and got a billion dollars for the projects. So you can blame Bill English for being a dick. Winston called his bluff and the rest is history. To me, that shows he wasn't prepared to be taken for granted and he delivered on his promises to his electorates. At 78 he's head and shoulders above any of the minor party leaders. Listen to the interview yourself on RCR. It won't surprise you that panel had little time for Alps and his psy-op BS. If anyone is using this method , it is Alps and too many of the gullible and credulous freedom people are sucked in by it.
Yeah I'm starting to feel that NZLoyal is Alp's party. And what do we know about Alp other than that he is a freemason? And is that why Sean Plunkett calls Gunn a freemason? And what is the relevance of such a statement?
I don't trust Plunkett, dont' trust Alp. Figure might as well make it a trifecta and therefore I don't trust Gunn.
Without NZ First, the freedom movement would not be represented in parliament. Thank God for Winston. The rest of the freedom movement deserve what they are going to get; nothing.
Dr. Aseem Milhotra was also pro-vax in the beginning until he was confronted by the data. This is why an independent inquiry is needed. Peters now questions the Safe and Effective mantra.The main thing to emphasize is choice. If some want the jab, let them be. Peter's visited the Wellington process to defend the right of bodily autonomy.
What are Liz's policies then? A 1% tax on transactions? Liz as PM? Liz everywhere? Liz's face on a bus? A 1% tax on transactions? Liz as god? A 1% tax on transactions?
I think you respectively need to take a step back and take a good hard look at just what Liz and NZ Loyal stand for. Your are obviously confused because I can't comprehend rhyme or reason for your post. This is a rare woman who is giving everything for this country she deserves praise and support not criticism..what are you doing for your country?
Great article - Stockholm Syndrome alive and well in NZ - Kiwis have been oppressed for a long time. Having lived in the U.S. for many years and coming back, it was easy to see. The oppressed side with their oppressor and attack someone who is trying to help them or attempt to make them see the light. I am telling anyone and everyone I can, to vote for any of the current lot in ALL parties is a wasted vote and they will get more of the same. Chaos and gross incompetence apart from tyrannical dictates. Liz Gunn shines a ray of hope for us all and needs to be listened to and supported. The 1% transaction tax alone should attract a lot of interest apart from the freedom it will give to us all.
The injections changed the DNA of humans! All proved now! Government like Doctors or Nurses still giving this shots will be prosecuted!
yeh, i was going to ask liz to back off the emotion a tad, the references to how our forbears aquitted themselves in 2 WWars for NZ, to the nasty attacks on her- we get all that liz. But i also get that you overworked, stressed to the max, & prob gettin piddle all sleep.
Dont worry- you get this family's vote regardless- but i rocked up to orewa mindful i would have to tolerate a few excesses- but hell, you one out of the box our lizzie- change nothing.
& what honest competent candidates. thanks also to karl? the marsden refinery champion- & damien- as ever putting himself out there for us.
Actually thanks to all that stood up 3 1/2 yrs ago now.
if you are in leighton brian or sue's ward- vote for them- anything else, loyal. loyal all the way
And wherever you are make your party vote loyal. Just imagine how powerful a change anything over 5% will start to bring about in this country, even if we can't get the EC, intransigence overturned!
I love NZ Loyals enthusiasm. Keep them honest Liz and the bus looks great.
It strikes me that it must surely be time when Kiwis cease colluding with the mindless dance of institutionalised politics, lies and the incipient globalist tyranny.
The conned and coerced in NZ were subjugated to an uncontrolled, unethical, unpredictable, unconsented, medical and social experiment, presided over by a coterie of over-paid bureaucrats, politicians, business "leaders," doctors, nurses and jabbing wannabees who now quibble in virtue signalling over the distinction between 'mandated' and 'compulsory' that was in fact the definition of the 'cancelled'. Next time around there will be no distinction. That much is made clear by the revisionist ethics now embraced by NZ politics and "health."
The systematic destruction, division and imposed destitution wreaked upon this country by the current socialist globalist administration appears visible for all to see. What awaits is NO different.
Stockholm syndrome, maybe; and just one too many sheeple and mushrooms...
Enjoyable read. Clear points made. 100% behind a change for NZ, and even if it’s 5% it will make NZ Loyal and its policies, ideas, etc. more visible to the normies.
Like Mark H, I feel the emotions are overdone. We’ve had too many years of Jacinda’s fake tears/emotions to be moved. Just keep being real!
I’d love to share this article with my extended family et. al., but unfortunately some of the language used (e.g psy-op, and the Jacinda slurs) will turn them away the minute they read those.
Some people are so ‘psyched’ and afraid and dumbed down that they cannot even start to separate out facts from fiction, and would rather scroll social.
For everyone who is awake-keep fighting! We will get there in the end.
5th May 2024 well we didnt bloody listen...again. we jumped out of the flying pan and into the oven. If we werent our own worst fukn enemies, we'd of learnt to become 'one voice' one power. Their greatest fear #WeThePeople
Mr Bee, that has to be the most heart warming publication I have seen to date and you should be commended for it. Well done.. All we need now is for Liz to appear, if possible, on mainstream media and give her party political speech.It will reach the thousands who don't subscribe to social media and don't know much if anything about Liz and NZ Loyal. It would open their eyes to what lies have been and still are being told to them through the corrupt system we have. I am at present just finishing a short vacation in the Waikato and have noticed with admiration the number of NZ Loyal boards up and posters in some shops. The message is getting out there from the number of locals I have spoken to. My hope at present is that the lawyers she has working for her & us in the long run, are successful in their endeavours to help bring justice to a corrupt system and get our candidates listed as they should have been done in the first place. Keep the faith folks, and God Bless you all.
Wow, the small party so called wasted vote dilemma is a lie and a psyop on a par with the globalist pandemic or is this hyperbole?
A partially hypothetical example:
My initial favourite was Leighton Baker. I admire the man and was interested in his proposal that we want independant candidates focused on serving the people in their electorate; not serving a party or the government, serving the people, decentralised representation. That's a key message to campaign for. He showed up in a national poll of preferred leaders at 3%. Now this coalition of independant candidates is not showing up in the national polls and other worthy campaigns have emerged.
Should I remain loyal?
Should I ignore the polls?
Should I stop thinking about and discussing pros and cons?
This is a genuine dilemma resulting from a series of events, not a psyop on an epic scale.
Sally, I have come to believe that strategic voting is another message to make us deny our own inner commitment to truth. Vote for who your heart can beat in sync with. For me that is Loyal. I have never felt in any way committed to a party in the past, it was always a 'duty'' to vote. Now I have become committed in mind, heart and deed to working for a party, that is not essentially a party but a movement that, has found a 'home' in a party.
Yes, a movement. Means it will not stop after this election either.
That's my key idea really. Don't know what will happen but we will keep on keeping on.
I'm sure that you can't be made to vote by someone proposing an alternative arguement if you're a mindful person. That's the point. No need to vilify the messengers. This article suggest that those who are weighing options with heart and mind are being fooled deliberately.
Head and heart is what it's all about. I do think there are people out there deliberately trying to mislead, however we are free and can think through what they say and come to what is right for us in our hearts.
Keep thinking - don't ignore anything but do be aware there is a lot of fakeness out there. 3% support for Leighton Baker was like a window into what a lot of people were feeling - why did it not appear again? I don't believe those people stopped liking him suddenly.
NZ First has my and my wife's vote. He will get in. The more seats he has, the less Act and National have.land the more likely the party can influence parliament. I've supported all the freedom parties up until now, but it's time to choose.
I'm sorry to have to disagree with you.Winston Peters is in it for himself always has been, check out his history, he is a turncoat and changes direction like the wind. He joined with labor in the last election and now look at the mess the country's in..How can you trust a person like that. No, Liz Gunn and NZ Loyal deserve all the votes they can get because you know what she stands for. Just check out her policies. Also at the moment the 3 parties are all throwing mud at one another. Is that the sort of party you want to vote for. From where I stand I don't see any of those parties with an ounce of truth, honesty or integrity.
I listened to one of NZF's candidates today. She was a lawyer for NZDSOS, so definitely on our page. She describes a different Peters to you. What happened in 2017 was that Winston wanted money for rural infrastructure projects and English refused. So Winston went with Labour and got a billion dollars for the projects. So you can blame Bill English for being a dick. Winston called his bluff and the rest is history. To me, that shows he wasn't prepared to be taken for granted and he delivered on his promises to his electorates. At 78 he's head and shoulders above any of the minor party leaders. Listen to the interview yourself on RCR. It won't surprise you that panel had little time for Alps and his psy-op BS. If anyone is using this method , it is Alps and too many of the gullible and credulous freedom people are sucked in by it.
Yeah I'm starting to feel that NZLoyal is Alp's party. And what do we know about Alp other than that he is a freemason? And is that why Sean Plunkett calls Gunn a freemason? And what is the relevance of such a statement?
I don't trust Plunkett, dont' trust Alp. Figure might as well make it a trifecta and therefore I don't trust Gunn.
Without NZ First, the freedom movement would not be represented in parliament. Thank God for Winston. The rest of the freedom movement deserve what they are going to get; nothing.
Unfortunately true. Winston is on record as being very much pro vaxx as well though.
I wonder why VFF didn't try their hand at running a party?
Dr. Aseem Milhotra was also pro-vax in the beginning until he was confronted by the data. This is why an independent inquiry is needed. Peters now questions the Safe and Effective mantra.The main thing to emphasize is choice. If some want the jab, let them be. Peter's visited the Wellington process to defend the right of bodily autonomy.
My kind of people. My kind of Party. My kind of movement. I am NZ Loyal
What are Liz's policies then? A 1% tax on transactions? Liz as PM? Liz everywhere? Liz's face on a bus? A 1% tax on transactions? Liz as god? A 1% tax on transactions?
Liz as Jacinda?
I think you respectively need to take a step back and take a good hard look at just what Liz and NZ Loyal stand for. Your are obviously confused because I can't comprehend rhyme or reason for your post. This is a rare woman who is giving everything for this country she deserves praise and support not criticism..what are you doing for your country?
Trying to stop it being run by tyrants or by useful idiots of tyrants.
so u just type comments or wot, wot else do u do .....just wondering man