Ok I have have read the latest screed and listened to Liz's speech re party deregulation. I have to say I am shocked and bitterly disappointed in that decision as I believe most members will be. Deregulation means , "They've won".. That's what THEY set out to do and by this act they have achieved that.. A NZ Loyal People's Movement will not replace a legitimate political Party to win and take over government in the truly democratic fashion as has and will always be done. A change of leadership, yes, I think we can all support that you give the party new and refreshed impetus. For deregulation to be considered what do you thing a People's movement can achieve? Really? The elections will still go ahead and the party with the most votes will be elected, that's an irrefutable fact. Is the NZ Loyal People's Movement going to stage a physical revolution like they do in some South American countries?? I clearly don't think so.. So we all stand out in front of the Beehive and wave People's movement flags. They would all just sit back and laugh while the cops just surge in and disband the groups.. I think a really 'deep think' is needed here otherwise we are going nowhere. And the dictatorship will remain and get worse.. Where is our 'FIGHTING SPIRIT' folks.???????????
Apparently the secretary isn't cooperating and sharing the email list so members can be alerted to call for a special meeting? It's been a cock up from the beginning with that lot like the electoral list. Liz has given up so nieve to think in 2months would surge in the polls, nzl did well enough and with great policies is worth continuing. let's start fresh and cut out the deadwood like the secretary and any others who stand in our way..
Don't know, I was incorrect about the secretary was told they not cooperating but actually they are yet to reply so there is some hope for the admin to sort it out
Thank you - it is not that easy to just start another party - many members have been attracted because of the great policies, and the constitution as well as a Trust in the integrity of the group. Just seems sad and pointless to start again. Do we really need another VFF?
dont know, im wondering if the electoral commission should be warned that there is an injunction on the dissolving of the party, maybe its too late if thats the way the secretary is acting? ideally bank accounts should be frozen too? so frustrating the nzl members could easily start another party just time and money wasted so worth trying to sort out..
In Liz's interview with John I heard John say something like (because I don't want to listen again) "the WEF and UN agendas can GET OUT because we don't want that here in NZ."
Well sure thing.
How's that gonna happen without being in parliament?
Liz and John and everyone else who's behind this "movement" sounds like they haven't thought it through. What are we going to do? Stop complying with the WEF infiltration ?
How did our non compliance work out for us all in feb-march 2022 ?
I do love Liz, but it's like she's currently no longer in her right mind.
By the way, I think you were wrong Mike in suggesting NZ loyal would do more outside parliament than in it. Just about every single mess this country is in is because of decisions, bills, votes, debates, and policies from INSIDE THE BEEHIVE.
Please name one societal outcome in this country that can't be traced back to a decision made inside parliament.
I agree with the two comments already made as well as Mike's comment.
We have all had enough of DEATH and DYING. And this is like another DEATH now that I have had time to digest it all. The one group that has been constant through our trauma has been NZL.
Why "throw the baby out with the bath water?"
Why not use proper process?
Why become similar to the current Government? Surely, we are better than that.
Why can NZL not be both a political party as well as a people's movement?
Maybe there are lessons to learn. Maybe we need to try to not become ATTACHED to the outcome. But, to be part of a process together? To do our very best. When the going gets tough we need to be consistent and stick to all the aims and objectives set out in the constitution of NZL.
Why has it become tough? NZL is seen as a major threat. This should be seen as a compliment.
There has never been a more important time in the history of New Zealand for this political party, NZL, which is also a people's movement to co- exist.
Hi I'm vaughan. If the media shuts down the communication like advertising. Banks denying nzloyal an account. I believe nzloyals doing something right. It stirred the cauldron and revealed the opposition. Can anything be done in the political arena with the present media blanking us. Good reason to communicate, meet, find direction . I,d like to know we have covered all bases before we give anything else ago. Shutting a door can mean the opening of another. We are all saying the same thing though . Lets be free from the controls of the oppressor. Find our way through globalism, wolf in sheep's clothing UN's forced unity, W.E.P, W.H.O. and other alphabetic entities, corporate manipulation. Get back our sense of dignity and enter a true unity. God's word says " when the people dwell together in unity GOD commands a blessing. Lets pool (pull) together, tie up loose ends.And seek those blessings through our unity. Il take a breath and say thanks Lis Gunn for Nzloyalty for the direction and your pioneering spirit.
I too believe it is crucial that the party have a voice inside the Beehive!!
Hi Mike,
Ok I have have read the latest screed and listened to Liz's speech re party deregulation. I have to say I am shocked and bitterly disappointed in that decision as I believe most members will be. Deregulation means , "They've won".. That's what THEY set out to do and by this act they have achieved that.. A NZ Loyal People's Movement will not replace a legitimate political Party to win and take over government in the truly democratic fashion as has and will always be done. A change of leadership, yes, I think we can all support that you give the party new and refreshed impetus. For deregulation to be considered what do you thing a People's movement can achieve? Really? The elections will still go ahead and the party with the most votes will be elected, that's an irrefutable fact. Is the NZ Loyal People's Movement going to stage a physical revolution like they do in some South American countries?? I clearly don't think so.. So we all stand out in front of the Beehive and wave People's movement flags. They would all just sit back and laugh while the cops just surge in and disband the groups.. I think a really 'deep think' is needed here otherwise we are going nowhere. And the dictatorship will remain and get worse.. Where is our 'FIGHTING SPIRIT' folks.???????????
Apparently the secretary isn't cooperating and sharing the email list so members can be alerted to call for a special meeting? It's been a cock up from the beginning with that lot like the electoral list. Liz has given up so nieve to think in 2months would surge in the polls, nzl did well enough and with great policies is worth continuing. let's start fresh and cut out the deadwood like the secretary and any others who stand in our way..
Who is the secretary? And who are the board. Are their contact details known?
Don't know, I was incorrect about the secretary was told they not cooperating but actually they are yet to reply so there is some hope for the admin to sort it out
Thank you - it is not that easy to just start another party - many members have been attracted because of the great policies, and the constitution as well as a Trust in the integrity of the group. Just seems sad and pointless to start again. Do we really need another VFF?
dont know, im wondering if the electoral commission should be warned that there is an injunction on the dissolving of the party, maybe its too late if thats the way the secretary is acting? ideally bank accounts should be frozen too? so frustrating the nzl members could easily start another party just time and money wasted so worth trying to sort out..
In Liz's interview with John I heard John say something like (because I don't want to listen again) "the WEF and UN agendas can GET OUT because we don't want that here in NZ."
Well sure thing.
How's that gonna happen without being in parliament?
Liz and John and everyone else who's behind this "movement" sounds like they haven't thought it through. What are we going to do? Stop complying with the WEF infiltration ?
How did our non compliance work out for us all in feb-march 2022 ?
I do love Liz, but it's like she's currently no longer in her right mind.
By the way, I think you were wrong Mike in suggesting NZ loyal would do more outside parliament than in it. Just about every single mess this country is in is because of decisions, bills, votes, debates, and policies from INSIDE THE BEEHIVE.
Please name one societal outcome in this country that can't be traced back to a decision made inside parliament.
I agree with the two comments already made as well as Mike's comment.
We have all had enough of DEATH and DYING. And this is like another DEATH now that I have had time to digest it all. The one group that has been constant through our trauma has been NZL.
Why "throw the baby out with the bath water?"
Why not use proper process?
Why become similar to the current Government? Surely, we are better than that.
Why can NZL not be both a political party as well as a people's movement?
Maybe there are lessons to learn. Maybe we need to try to not become ATTACHED to the outcome. But, to be part of a process together? To do our very best. When the going gets tough we need to be consistent and stick to all the aims and objectives set out in the constitution of NZL.
Why has it become tough? NZL is seen as a major threat. This should be seen as a compliment.
There has never been a more important time in the history of New Zealand for this political party, NZL, which is also a people's movement to co- exist.
Hi I'm vaughan. If the media shuts down the communication like advertising. Banks denying nzloyal an account. I believe nzloyals doing something right. It stirred the cauldron and revealed the opposition. Can anything be done in the political arena with the present media blanking us. Good reason to communicate, meet, find direction . I,d like to know we have covered all bases before we give anything else ago. Shutting a door can mean the opening of another. We are all saying the same thing though . Lets be free from the controls of the oppressor. Find our way through globalism, wolf in sheep's clothing UN's forced unity, W.E.P, W.H.O. and other alphabetic entities, corporate manipulation. Get back our sense of dignity and enter a true unity. God's word says " when the people dwell together in unity GOD commands a blessing. Lets pool (pull) together, tie up loose ends.And seek those blessings through our unity. Il take a breath and say thanks Lis Gunn for Nzloyalty for the direction and your pioneering spirit.