I believe this outstanding post echoes how many, many people in the freedom movement are feeling. Kudos to Mike Bee for articulating what is going on so eloquently. May the 3 amazing ladies who started VFF be humble enough to take heed.
I was gutted to read VFF were holding a picnic same day, a little earlier in a totally different location. My brain went ‘why would they do that?’ My only answer that I could find was to divide and make people choose… us or them.. so many VFF supporters would have planned to attend a picnic for Barry. I hope they still do, I hope they question why VFF would not pull together for these most important of gatherings… if anyone knows of a different reason for this please do tell, because a simple Xmas picnic for VFF supporters is not a good enough reason to attempt to sabotage the gathering of Barry’s supporters.
You read my mind and I am so grateful for your ability with language. 100% behind your sentiments and suggestions. Thankyou for providing a voice to my thoughts. Katherine
They are incredibly genuine people who consider things from every perspective before deciding and acting. I have witnessed this multiple times eg the depth of consideration and number if people consulted with that went into deciding whether or not to form a political party.
Over the years I have grown to respect and trust that their decisions are not responsive but deeply considered proactive decisions that serve the mission and vision of their organisation.
When you are a Germ School Dropout certain “freedom” people turn on you.
They will hold you out away from them as VFF has done with others for talking truth that they don’t agree with. It’s actually quite specific. They wont to engage and listen to no virus camp people as it means in order to maintain integrity they have to do internal work which also includes apologies for talking bullshit into existence.
I would very much like to see Liz Gunn accepted and support by Reality Check Radio & VFF. I do listen to some comments and are a little saddened. Each snarky comment (from either side), creates another one in return. Both parties have a different style, but I respect both and believe that you stand for the same side (as in not the evil cabal). As a founding member of RCR, I love listening to all the interviews and information… thank you Alia, Libby, Clare, Liz & Mike Bee for fighting the good fight! 💕🎅🏻🎄
Wow you manage to knock a lot of people while asking VFF to apologise for something they said.
Also, if Barry was not aware of the Protective Disclosures Act then why did whoever was helping him on your team to interview for the release of data not make him aware - surely that is something a lawyer or journalist would know to do before exposing the man to the world.
Of note, VFF had been working out a way for him to go down the protected disclosure path prior to his turning to Liz.
Maybe Liz didn't know about that Act - but being a lawyer and journalist I am certain she would have known about it. Which makes his speaking without having used the Act very odd indeed.
Hardly anyone knows or knew including most lawyers about Protected Disclosures Whistle Blower Act until Liz Lambert president of Number8 Workers Union of New Zealand Inc bought the info to the light. We need everyone to know about it so more Whistle Blowers will come on board with the truth
lots of people know there is a whistle blower act. it was revised last year but goodness me every lawyer would know at the very least. and every journalist. Liz is both. why on earth did she not do something?
Have you considered that VFF are probably funded and directed by people of ill repute and are just another psyop? How did they get such slick advertising so quickly and seem to be up and running and ready to mop up all the “ freedom” seekers? I wouldn’t want to mention names but some are in plain sight.
They aren’t, I literally stand in both courts. I know how Alia Libby and Claire met, I remember the first billboards our group organised before convid. I’m also an interviewee of Liz’s and donated $1300 to NZLOYAL, became a sign depot.
Yes, this is possible. I personally (MB) still support VFF but they are different from CSM. Kelvin has been offered money a number of times by wealthy people but there are always strings attached - he must write about x or not write about y and he won't do it. VFF gets a lot of money coming in to it. ... That's one of the main differences between us and why CSM does need support from ordinary people.
For me, the VFF leadership team is made up of incredibly genuine people who consider things from every perspective before deciding and acting. I have witnessed this multiple times eg the depth of consideration and number if people consulted with that went into deciding whether or not to form a political party.
Over the years I have grown to respect and trust that their decisions are not responsive but deeply considered proactive decisions that serve the mission and vision of their organisation.
Still doesn’t explain why they did not get behind these picnics to support Barry.. in my mind I can find no ‘neutral’ agenda here to have them deliberately move to split attendance to these gatherings…. If you are able to explain their ‘deeply considered proactive decision’ on this one I would be willing to listen
well written,you are totally correct in saying we all must unite re the alternative media etc..its a no brainer..egos will be challenged on all but any one with any clues will know this is the only way to move forward..a bit like Stalin ,the Italians the USA and Mothoe England..they did it..its our turn.Thanks again for makeing the effort..someone has to suggest this ammalgamation idea.Bruce Porter.Patoka New Zealand
I believe this outstanding post echoes how many, many people in the freedom movement are feeling. Kudos to Mike Bee for articulating what is going on so eloquently. May the 3 amazing ladies who started VFF be humble enough to take heed.
I was gutted to read VFF were holding a picnic same day, a little earlier in a totally different location. My brain went ‘why would they do that?’ My only answer that I could find was to divide and make people choose… us or them.. so many VFF supporters would have planned to attend a picnic for Barry. I hope they still do, I hope they question why VFF would not pull together for these most important of gatherings… if anyone knows of a different reason for this please do tell, because a simple Xmas picnic for VFF supporters is not a good enough reason to attempt to sabotage the gathering of Barry’s supporters.
I'm not too bothered y this. There is every likelihood that thie VFF picnic was scheduled weeks ago and commitments made.
You read my mind and I am so grateful for your ability with language. 100% behind your sentiments and suggestions. Thankyou for providing a voice to my thoughts. Katherine
They are incredibly genuine people who consider things from every perspective before deciding and acting. I have witnessed this multiple times eg the depth of consideration and number if people consulted with that went into deciding whether or not to form a political party.
Over the years I have grown to respect and trust that their decisions are not responsive but deeply considered proactive decisions that serve the mission and vision of their organisation.
When you are a Germ School Dropout certain “freedom” people turn on you.
They will hold you out away from them as VFF has done with others for talking truth that they don’t agree with. It’s actually quite specific. They wont to engage and listen to no virus camp people as it means in order to maintain integrity they have to do internal work which also includes apologies for talking bullshit into existence.
That’s a big part of it.
Don’t get me wrong I think they are lovely people. But there is some kind of psych barrier.
I would very much like to see Liz Gunn accepted and support by Reality Check Radio & VFF. I do listen to some comments and are a little saddened. Each snarky comment (from either side), creates another one in return. Both parties have a different style, but I respect both and believe that you stand for the same side (as in not the evil cabal). As a founding member of RCR, I love listening to all the interviews and information… thank you Alia, Libby, Clare, Liz & Mike Bee for fighting the good fight! 💕🎅🏻🎄
Wow you manage to knock a lot of people while asking VFF to apologise for something they said.
Also, if Barry was not aware of the Protective Disclosures Act then why did whoever was helping him on your team to interview for the release of data not make him aware - surely that is something a lawyer or journalist would know to do before exposing the man to the world.
Of note, VFF had been working out a way for him to go down the protected disclosure path prior to his turning to Liz.
Maybe Liz didn't know about that Act - but being a lawyer and journalist I am certain she would have known about it. Which makes his speaking without having used the Act very odd indeed.
Hardly anyone knows or knew including most lawyers about Protected Disclosures Whistle Blower Act until Liz Lambert president of Number8 Workers Union of New Zealand Inc bought the info to the light. We need everyone to know about it so more Whistle Blowers will come on board with the truth
lots of people know there is a whistle blower act. it was revised last year but goodness me every lawyer would know at the very least. and every journalist. Liz is both. why on earth did she not do something?
What do you mean by do something?
I mean follow the whistle blower act
Unity in diversity people. VFF hold true, stay on your choosen course.
More unity
Have you considered that VFF are probably funded and directed by people of ill repute and are just another psyop? How did they get such slick advertising so quickly and seem to be up and running and ready to mop up all the “ freedom” seekers? I wouldn’t want to mention names but some are in plain sight.
They aren’t, I literally stand in both courts. I know how Alia Libby and Claire met, I remember the first billboards our group organised before convid. I’m also an interviewee of Liz’s and donated $1300 to NZLOYAL, became a sign depot.
Are the initials CS?
Yes, this is possible. I personally (MB) still support VFF but they are different from CSM. Kelvin has been offered money a number of times by wealthy people but there are always strings attached - he must write about x or not write about y and he won't do it. VFF gets a lot of money coming in to it. ... That's one of the main differences between us and why CSM does need support from ordinary people.
For me, the VFF leadership team is made up of incredibly genuine people who consider things from every perspective before deciding and acting. I have witnessed this multiple times eg the depth of consideration and number if people consulted with that went into deciding whether or not to form a political party.
Over the years I have grown to respect and trust that their decisions are not responsive but deeply considered proactive decisions that serve the mission and vision of their organisation.
Still doesn’t explain why they did not get behind these picnics to support Barry.. in my mind I can find no ‘neutral’ agenda here to have them deliberately move to split attendance to these gatherings…. If you are able to explain their ‘deeply considered proactive decision’ on this one I would be willing to listen
i do not know either. Made various attempts to find out or to just get some dialogue. They wouldn't reply.
Maybe these Xmas picnics were planned weeks in advance.
Sometimes the most mundane of answers is the most obvious.
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well written,you are totally correct in saying we all must unite re the alternative media etc..its a no brainer..egos will be challenged on all but any one with any clues will know this is the only way to move forward..a bit like Stalin ,the Italians the USA and Mothoe England..they did it..its our turn.Thanks again for makeing the effort..someone has to suggest this ammalgamation idea.Bruce Porter.Patoka New Zealand